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Tuesday, February 21, 2017

KVSC’S ANNUAL TRIVIA CONTEST IS A BRAND DEFINING EVENT


Media brands usually revolve around the key elements that users like and value the most. There is also high brand loyalty to things that are fun. Fun is what is happening at KVSC, St. Cloud, Minnesota [link]. Every year in February KVSC hosts their signature event Trivia Storm. The annual trivia contest for 2017 just ended this past weekend and, as usual, a good time was had by all.

Trivia Storm is now in it's 38th year. Thanks to KVSC’s streaming audio, teams from around the globe compete to answer approximately 450 mind-stumping questions. The contest runs over 50 consecutive hours starting at 5pm Friday and running through 7pm Sunday.

KVSC GM Jo McMullen-Boyer and Operations Director Jim Gray 
get ready for Trivia Storm (Photo courtesy St. Cloud Times)
According to KVSC’s GM, Jo McMullen-Boyer, players for this year’s contest came from New Zealand, Egypt and Sweden. The winners were locals, however. A St. Cloud team named It Just Doesn’t Matter, won top honors with 12,070 trivia points.  

KVSC’s staff and volunteers begin the prep for Trivia Storm in June and begin assembling Google-proof questions in August. The questions remind me of ones from the board game Trivial Pursuit such as life and times, film and literature, news and history, and, of course, music.



In October, KVSC staff starts selling sponsorships. Trivia Storm has become one of KVSC’s leading fundraising vehicles. KVSC also asks listeners for pledges during the contest. 

As many as 100 volunteers answer participant calls and messages during peak hours. It isn’t unusual for participants to stay awake for the entire 50 hours.

WAJC CAUSES RECEPTION PROBLEMS FOR KVSC LISTENERS

Last Friday we reported on WAJC 88.1 FM, licensed to the town of Newport, which is south and east of St. Paul. KVSC also broadcasts on 88.1 FM.  A SPARK! reader in St. Cloud sent this comment about WAJC and KSVC:

From Anonymous (edited for length and clarity:

"KVSC in St. Cloud regrets the loss of their Twin Cities coverage due to WAJC’s signal. Is WAJC’s presence beneficial? It's quite easy for one small new signal to destroy reliable reception of an existing station, which is what has happened.

[WAJC’s co-founder Jill Martin Rishe] can babble about our signal all she likes, but given it’s close proximity of KVSC, WAJC’s 60dBu signal doesn’t even reach the MSP airport.

Given that WAJC never should've existed, and it took a vibrant station like KVSC and totally shivved them in the back. Whenever KVSC approached them about buying out WAJC, they demanded an outrageously high.” purchase price.

KEN SAYS: So how do you really feel about it? The interference is not intentional by WAJC. The FCC “short spaced” 88.1 FM and the result is interference for two other stations operating on 88.1: KVSC and KRLX, Northfield.  The coverage maps for the three stations tell the story:






KVSC broadcasts with 16,500-watts from a good spot near the campus of St. Cloud State University.  

The station has lots of listeners in the I-94 corridor between St. Cloud and the northwest suburbs of Minneapolis. KVSC signed on in the early 1970s.















WAJC broadcasts with 5,520-watts from a short tower near the town of Coates, about 15 miles southeast of St. Paul. WAJC signed on in 2011.

















KRLX [link] broadcasts with 100-watts from a short tower on the campus of Carleton College. They are a pretty groovy college station that once used the slogan Life Is Better When You Are On the Bottom. KRLX signed on in 1974.






Friday, February 17, 2017

READER COMMENTS


COMMENT ONE: PODTRAC DATA SHOWS FEWER PEOPLE WERE LISTENING TO PODCASTS IN JANUARY 2017 COMPARED TO OCTOBER 2016

Last Monday (2/13) we reported on the latest podcast publisher rankings from Podtrac Analytics.  In that story we compared the Top 10 “US Unique Monthly Audience” in January 2017 with October 2016.  All of podcasts in the Top 10 had fewer listeners in January. Declines ranged from 2% to 40%. Our chart is on the right.

We wondered aloud whether the decline in audience reflected a larger trend or had Podtrac changed it’s methodology. After an initial contact with Podtrac, I was put in touch with Mark Mccrery, Founder & CEO of Podtrac.  I asked Mccrery whether he stood by Podtrac’s numbers and what could have caused the decline in podcast listeners in a four-month period.

Mark Mccrery replied:

Mark Mccrery
Hi Ken,

Thanks for your interest in the numbers.  Yes, we stand by the data.
I’ll also add two points:

- Election conversations took place in the fall in many podcasts regardless of podcast genre/category.   

- There is seasonality, variation and spikiness in podcast activity, so that in over 11 years of measuring podcasts, counts can change up or down by 20% or more from month to month.  Below is a chart of stream/download activity by month for a top podcast for the last 2.5 years, as an example.

KEN SAYS: Podtrac is trying to establish itself as the go-to provider for podcast metrics, something the industry needs. Mccrery’s response shows reaching that goal is a work in progress. As Mccrery said above, counts can change up or down by 20% from month to month. When we report Podtrac’s data, should we add a disclaimer that the actual listening may vary by 20%?

The primary reason for the drop cited by Mccrery is that the number of podcast listeners spiked in October because of the election. This may or may not be true. Seasonality might also be a factor in podcast listening.

That said, I am very impressed with Podtrac’s response and the overall approach by the company. The Podtrac monthly charts are a valuable service and we will continue to publish their rankings.

COMMENT TWO: “THE DREAM IS NOT OVER”

This is a very personal comment and reply, so I hope readers will read it with that in mind. On December 3, 2015, I published [link] “The Dream Is Over.” It told the story of how a Twin Cities area couple, Kevin and Jill Rische, decided to start a new noncommercial, independent Christian community station. They applied for a short-spaced full-power channel at 88.1 FM.

They won the construction permit for 88.1 and signed on WAJC in 2011. Operating WAJC proved to be a challenge, especially financially. After a few years of tireless work and hand-to-mouth realities, the Rishe s sold their beloved station to their church, Maranatha Assembly of God Church. They are still active in station but they are no long on the hook for operating funds. You can hear WAJC here.

A few weeks ago, Jill Rische contacted me. She was concerned that my article contained errors and misrepresented the Rische’s and WAJC. Below I have posted several pages of Jill’s complaints. Some of her concerns have merit but most were debatable at best and wrong at worst.

There is one comment Jill made that is certainly true: My tone was snarky and unforgiving, almost like I was enjoying seeing their failures. I re-read my post and Jill is right, my words were stark and painful.  This caused me to reflect on what caused me to published my hurtful post.

The truth is I was channeling my own unresolved feelings of pain for my own failures for a station (K-SKY FM) I built and operated and then lost.  I told Jill I was truly sorry for adding to her own pain because I felt deeply about my own failure. I apologized to Jill and Kevin, which they accepted.

At KSKY I made several big mistakes that cost me my ownership stake. Basically, my big ego and pride made me blind to the problems I faced.  A case in point was my failure to realize the physics of radio signals and my hype of things that were not true.

Ken at the top of Terry Peak • July 1982
Very briefly, here is what happened. In 1982 I won a construction permit for a new 100kw station licensed to Deadwood, a small town in Black Hills of South Dakota and Wyoming.  I secured a tower site on Terry Peak, a 7,100 foot mountain that was 3,000 feet above the city of license and 4,000 feet above Rapid City, the only metro area in the region.

My engineer told me I didn’t need to worry about translator because he was installing a 10-degree beam tilt on the antenna bays.  I trusted his expertise, which was a big mistake. 

I had extensively promoted the signal reach of the new station. When K-SKY signed on September 2, 1982, I was immediately confronted with the reality of the situation. Because of the height of antenna and terrain shielding, the 100kw signal could be heard in places 100 miles away but it was spotty in many areas of the Black Hills.  The signal was so spotty in the foothills that I needed a translator to put a signal in the city of license. I had major egg on my face.  The truth was that I failed at my “dream station” because of my own myopic decisions.

I left K-SKY in September 1984 to enter grad school at Arizona State University. After I left, K-SKY (with well placed translators) went on to become the number one station in the Rapid City market. I had the vision, but I wasn’t there to enjoy the success. It still hurts. But this was no reason for me to deflect my self-anger on Jill and Kevin Rishe. They loved WAJC as much as I loved K-SKY.

CORRECTIONS & MORE QUESTIONS

(Note: I have posted Jill’s corrections and comments about my 12/3/15 story verbatim further down in this post.)

I sent Jill a summary email on Tuesday (2/14) and asked her to respond to three key questions: Did WAJC lose money? Why did you promote WAJC as a full market station when it wasn’t? What responsibility do you and Kevin take for the lack of WAJC’s success?

2/16/17
To: Jill
From Ken

Thank you for the documents and clarifications.  I am planning on publishing the update regarding WAJC this Friday 2/17.  I have a few questions and hope I can include your answers in Friday’s article:

QUESTION ONE: Jill wrote: ..so you see it never was a “Please buy my failing radio station” scenario. The 990s you referred to in your article are not ours—you can look us up under Religious Information Network. We are small but were in the black the entire time we built and ran WAJC.

KEN: I did look up “Religious Information Network” (RIN) in the IRS database and I found the following information for the three most recent tax years. According to filings with the IRS, WAJC was not “in the black” during any of the three years for which information is available. What you assert is no true.

• Tax Year 2014: RIN reported $19,612 in revenue, $25,706 in expenses and a net loss of $6,094

• Tax Year 2013: RIN reported $45,968 in revenue, $56,127 in expenses and a net loss of $10,159

• Tax Year 2012: RIN reported $35,284 in revenue, $42,964 in expenses and a net loss of $7,680

So, during the three years combined, all during the time you were operating WAJC, according to information you filed with the IRS, RIN had a net loss of $23,933. Is the information you provided the IRS correct?

JILL’S 2/16/17 REPLY:

My error as to the ownership of the statements—I looked at a general graph for all three years and should have viewed our individual statements. 

Please be fair—as you know—the measure of a non-profit’s success is different than a commercial one.  Net Assets carried over each year determine viability, not profit/loss numbers.  If you look at our 990s you will see that our Net Assets were always in the black. (Net Assets is what I was comparing on our graph.)

This is common knowledge: “In a for-profit context, revenues less expenses is called net income or net profit and is an indicator of the firm’s success. For non-profits, the change in net assets is a surplus or deficit that is carried forward. Rather than focusing on profit, a nonprofit focuses upon fulfilling its mission. Therefore, the annual surplus or deficit is not necessarily informative about a non-profit’s success.” www.nasaa-arts.org/

During the build-out of the station, when large sums were spent to buy the antenna and equipment, our surplus and deficit went up and down, but the balance carried over every year was in the black. Why not state this fact and credit us for building a full power station on a shoe-string budget with the intent to use it for community radio?  

QUESTION TWO: Though WAJC was the last full power frequency available in the Twin Cities metro area, WAJC did not cover the whole the whole area. In my original article I questioned whether WAJC’s use of a logo featuring the skyline of Minneapolis was appropriate considering that WAJC did not put a reliable, dependable signal into downtown Minneapolis. Do you agree that WAJC was incorrectly implying that WAJC serves downtown Minneapolis?

JILL’S 2/16/17 REPLY:

As we talked about on the phone, this logo was designed and used by Northwestern students for years to symbolize their 1 watt station and student programming. That was the ONLY reason we chose to use the logo. I’ve attached WAJC’s Longley Rice map to prove coverage is much better than you think and Minneapolis falls within the 50-60dbu range.  J  But this was not the reason we chose the logo.

QUESTION THREE:

Jill wrote: We are beginners, but we’re learning and hopefully, we can be encouraged to do so even though our ideologies differ.

KEN: One thing I haven’t seen in all of our correspondence is you taking responsibility for what happened with WAJC.  What mistakes did you and Kevin make and what would you have done differently? 

JILL’S 2/16/17 REPLY:

Ken, we turned down several offers that would have brought in a large profit on WAJC and instead, donated it to our church. Are you saying we need to answer for that?

The station is still up and running and doing fine—we’re still very much involved with it—why do you think we need to “take responsibility” for donating a full power radio station? It would be great if you could clarify this before publication.

One thing Kevin and I would have done differently is to involve our church a lot sooner—not because we needed them financially, but because of their outreach to the community.  It’s one thing to dislike our approach or methods, and another to assume a negative intent. Please be fair. I like the words of Jesus here, “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”

Thank you, Jill.

 VERBATIM COMMENTS FROM JILL RISHE:







Friday, September 23, 2016

READER COMMENTS: DOES PACIFICA’S “STINK” MAKE THEIR ARCHIVES WORTHLESS?


COMMENT ONE: VALUE OF THE PACIFICA ARCHIVES

Earlier this week we carried a story about the resignation of Sam Agarwal who was Treasurer for Pacifica Radio. Agarwal resigned from the embattled organization with a memo that said, in part:

…with each passing day, [bankruptcy] may be the only option left because of dysfunction in the Board, mismanagement and failure of leadership.

In the article I speculated on the impact of bankruptcy on the fate of Pacifica’s archives. In his/her comment, the Anonymous reader said the archives are worth nothing because of Pacifica’s damaged image:

I don’t see how the Archives are worth a single penny at this point. There is not a university in the land that would be crazy enough to touch anything associated with Pacifica with a ten-foot pole.

Universities are businesses, and they have images and reputations to protect. Even if they could legally and operationally take wholesale ownership of the Archives, they’d HAVE to know that the vast sea of crazies associated with Pacifica would endlessly make the University’s life hell for one reason or another.

Whoever ends up with legal control over the Archives will immediately face endless lawsuits about it. At least with the FM licenses, you could take them over, change the locks and post security.

KEN SAYS: I don’t buy the premise that the “stink” of Pacifica’s brand would keep a university, museum or a private collector from acquiring Pacifica’s archives. The historical merit of the priceless audio in the archives is not diminished by what Pacifica has become. Except for people in the biz like you and me, there is little awareness of Pacifica today.  Regarding the claim that …the vast sea of crazies associated with Pacifica would endlessly make the University’s life hell, a future owner of the archives would not have an obligation to anyone at Pacifica, assuming Pacifica even still existed.




The person who sent the comment is right, though, about the value of the station licenses. In September 2015 [link] I asked a friend of mine who is a media property broker for an outside opinion about the value of Pacifica’s five FCC licenses. The chart on the right from 2015 has the projected “stick value” of the stations.





COMMENT TWO: HYPING A STATION FEW CAN RECEIVE DOESN'T WORK

Every once in a while I get a comment on one of my older posts. This comment provided additional information about WAJC, a Christian noncom on the edge of the Twin Cities. There were two posts.  The first was posted on July 8, 2015 [link] and the follow up was posted on December 3, 2015 [link].

The posts tell the story of the Kevin and Jill Riche who dreamed of owning a Contemporary Christian (CCM) radio station in the Twin Cities. Kevin and Jill come from a Christian broadcasting family.  Jill is the daughter of the late Dr. Walter Martin, The Original Bible Answer Man, a well-known syndicated personality from the 1950s and 1960s.

Kevin and Jill applied for and won the FCC license and signed as The Remnant. Things didn’t work out so well for one major reason: WAJC covered only a thin slice of the Twin Cities metro. Though The Remnant was promoted as a “full power Minneapolis metro station” but reality proved this claim was total bullshit. They wound up selling WAJC for pennies. The reader’s comment extends the story:




NOTE THE SKYLINE OF MINNEAPOLIS IN THE LOGO
The Remnant’s [programming came from] a Northwestern student radio station (same college that runs KTIS). As soon as WAJC signed on even the kids at the school couldn’t pick it up.

It took years for this thing to sign on, and from pre-hype comments it was clear they had no idea what to do with it and no idea how to run a station. It was doomed from the start. - A church in Forest Lake bought it, which is another exurban town NORTH of the Cities. They can’t even get the station in their own city.

Dr. Walter Martin died in 1989. Sadly, since then he has had no ability to prevent or weigh in on the things done in his name. The efforts of the [Kevin and Jill Riche], although carefully packaged in the name of Walter Martin, never existed prior to his death, and are fully the products of their own dreams and aspirations.

COMMENT THREE: THE VOICE YOU HEARD WAS THE GREAT NORMAN ROSE

During the week of Thanksgiving I re-posted [link] the National Lampoon’s radio skit “Deteriorata,” a parody of Les Crane's 1971 spoken-word recording of Desiderata, a popular record at the time. I mentioned most of the cast and crew of the National Lampoon Radio Hour but I failed to name the voice on the hilarious parody. 

Then I got this comment from my friends at Kill Ugly Radio [link]:

Read by the great Norman Rose.

Norman Rose




KEN SAYS: Right as rain! Norman Rose was a legendary actor who was known as “the Voice of God.” In fact, Rose actually played God (the voice at least) in Woody Allen’s 1975 comedy film Love and Death. His voice also appeared in countless sci-fi films.

Thursday, December 3, 2015

WAJC: DREAM IS OVER


A friend of mine who is media broker once told me:

Nobody ever lost money investing in the FM spectrum.

Today we will see an exception to that notion.  It is a cautionary story about what happens when hype exceeds reality.  In July we reported on a noncom FM station near the Twin Cities being advertised for sale for $750,000.  Previously the station had been listed for $1 million.  Recently it sold in November for $52,000 to Maranatha Assembly of God Church in Forest Lake, Minnesota.

Below is the story of WAJC-FM, built on the boast it was a Twin Cities metro signal. But, it covered only a small slice of the market. The founders of WALC were Kevin and Jill Martin Rische. Jill’s father, Dr. Walter Martin, backed the station and likely experienced a significant financial loss. Martin is a long-time radio preacher known as The Original Bible Answer Man. 

According to published reports, WAJC had been rebroadcasting Northwestern College’s student station via KTIS’s HD4 signal. WAJC is apparently off the air pending FCC approval of the sale. The new owner has not revealed future plans for WAJC.

Here is the original post:
___________________________________________________________________
July 8, 2015

Today we’ve got a true radio story. If you’ve ever worked in management at a noncom or commercial station you’ve seen people dream big and then fall on their ass.
One of the most frequent radio dreams is to start your own station.  The freedom seems so inviting and the opportunities so great. I lived this dream in 1982 when I signed on KSKY-FM in the Black Hills. So, I can relate to the people in this short story because I've been there.

MEET WAJC-FM
In mid-June I saw this ad in a newsletter I get from a broker of broadcast stations:
I eat call letters for breakfast but I had never heard of this station. So I investigated.

FULL POWER NON-COMMERCIIAL FM IIN
MIINNEAPOLIIS-ST. PAUL RADIIO MARKET

WAJC-FM is a full-power Non-Commercial FM serving Minneapolis-St. Paul, the 16th largest radio market in the nation. The station broadcasts on 88.1MHz, and delivers programming to Dakota, Ramsey, and Washington counties, plus the growing suburbs south of the Twin Cities. Price: $750,000.

WAJC FM 88.1 is licensed to Newport, Minnesota – a far-flung southern exurb of St. Paul.  WAJC’s Construction Permit was granted in 2010 and they signed on in 2013.  The owner of WAJC is Religious Information Network, a 501c3 nonprofit organization.
Now WAJC is for sale.  The asking price is $750,000.



Take a look at WAJC’s coverage 
map:

This is NOT a Minneapolis-St. Paul metro radio station. This is a station that runs on hype and the tank is empty.











THE TRUE WAJC STORY

Jill Martin Rische is the oldest daughter of Dr. Walter Martin. Dr. Martin is a long-time radio preacher known as The Original Bible Answer Man. 

Jill married Kevin Rische – they met at church. Dr. Martin brought Kevin Rische into the family business: Preaching For Dollars On the Radio.  Kevin was put in charge of digitizing Dr. Martin’s 40-some years of broadcasting.



Dr. Martin’s program The Original Bible Answer Man and other shows made a lot of money.  They were (and still are) time-brokered broadcasts on commercial religious stations. Dr. Martin gained notoriety with true believers with his late 1960s book The K

Dr. Martin was getting older and apparently had cash on hand.

 LET’S START OUR OWN STATION!

Someone convinced someone to apply for a new FM allocation for Newport, Minnesota.  Religious Information Network was one of several applicants.  They won the license in a mutually-exclusive (“MX”) contest at the FCC in 2010.

Kevin and Jill planned the station and started building.  Here is Kevin Rische at the WAJC tower location:







MEET THE REMNANT


The Remnant – WAJC’s air name – signed on in 2013. According to it’s website [link] The Remnant airs Contemporary Christian Music (“CCM”) and all Dr. Walter Martin’s programs.


In 2013 the happy talk ended and things got real.

WHEN THE WHIP COMES DOWN

According IRS 990 tax fillings, The Remnant’s revenue has been between $20,000 and $40,000 every year since they signed on.  Expenses exceed revenue every year, sometimes by thousands of dollars.

It seems so clear now what went wrong:

• WAJC doesn’t cover enough of the Twin Cities to be a viable metro station.

• Northwestern College Broadcasting (KTIS) owns the religious noncom market in the Twin Cities.  KTIS draws around 400,000 listeners a week. Salem Broadcasting scoops up the rest.

• Kevin and Jill ran WJAC into the ground.  But they successfully traded air time for a free station vehicle. They lost the vehicle in the sale.

• Dr. Walter Martin – The Original Bible Answer Man believes God answers all prayers. Unfortunately, some times God says “NO.”

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KVSC in St Cloud is also on 88.1 and it precludes any chance of WAJC being terribly listenable in the actual Twin Cities. Unfortunately, WAJC does a fine job destroying KVSC's fringe coverage of that same area...which wasn't trivial.

Wednesday, July 8, 2015

THE DREAM IS OVER: “BUY OUR FAILING NONCOM FM STATION"


Today we’ve got a true radio story. If you’ve ever worked in management at a noncom or commercial station you’ve seen people dream big and then fall on their ass.

One of the most frequent radio dreams is to start your own station.  The freedom seems so inviting and the opportunities so great. I lived this dream in 1982 when I signed on KSKY-FM in the Black Hills. So, I can relate to the people in this short story because I've been there.

MEET WAJC-FM

In mid-June I saw this ad in a newsletter I get from a broker of broadcast stations:


FULLPOWERNON-COMMERCIIALFMIIN
MIINNEAPOLIIS-ST..PAUL RADIIO MARKET
WAJC-FM is a full-power Non-Commercial FM serving Minneapolis-St. Paul, the 16th largest radio market in the nation. The station broadcasts on 88.1MHz, and delivers programming to Dakota, Ramsey, and Washington counties, plus the growing suburbs south of the Twin Cities.

I eat call letters for breakfast but I had never heard of this station. So I investigated.

WAJC FM 88.1 is licensed to Newport, Minnesota – a far-flung southern exurb of St. Paul.  WAJC’s Construction Permit was granted in 2010 and they signed on in 2013.  The owner of WAJC is Religious Information Network, a 501c3 nonprofit organization.

Now WAJC is for sale.  The asking price is $750,000.

Take a look at WAJC’s coverage map:



This is NOT a Minneapolis-St. Paul metro radio station. This is a station that runs on hype and the tank is empty.

THE TRUE STORY

Jill Martin Rische is the oldest daughter of Dr. Walter Martin. Dr. Martin is a long-time radio preacher known as The Original Bible Answer Man. 


Jill married Kevin Rische – they met at church. Dr. Martin brought Kevin Rische into the family business: Preaching For Dollars On the Radio.  Kevin was put in charge of digitizing Dr. Martin’s 40-some years of broadcasting.

Dr. Martin’s program The Original Bible Answer Man and other shows made a lot of money.  They were (and still are) time-brokered broadcasts on commercial religious stations. Dr. Martin gained notoriety with true believers with his late 1960s book The Kingdom of the Cults.

Dr. Martin was getting older and apparently had cash on hand.

LET’S START OUR OWN STATION!

Someone convinced someone to apply for a new FM allocation for Newport, Minnesota.  Religious Information Network was one of several applicants.  They won the license in a mutually-exclusive (“MX”) contest at the FCC in 2010.

Kevin and Jill planned the station and started building.  Here is Kevin Rische at the WAJC tower location:



Here is the tower erection:



MEET THE REMNANT


The Remnant – WAJC’s brand name – signed on in 2013. According to it’s website [link] The Remnant airs Contemporary Christian Music (“CCM”) and all Dr. Walter Martin’s programs.

2013 is when the happy talk ends.  Things got real.

THE REMNANT MEETS REALITY

According IRS 990 tax fillings, The Remnant’s revenue has been between $20,000 and $40,000 every year since they signed on.  Expenses exceed revenue every year, sometimes by thousands of dollars.

It seems so clear now what went wrong:

• WAJC doesn’t cover enough of the Twin Cities to be a viable metro station.

• Northwestern College Broadcasting (KTIS) owns the religious noncom market in the Twin Cities.  KTIS draws around 400,000 listeners a week. Salem Broadcasting scoops up the rest.

• Kevin and Jill ran to The Remnant 24/7 and didn’t make much money.  But they did have a free station vehicle.

• Dr. Walter Martin – The Original Bible Answer Man didn’t realize the some times God says “NO.”