We
have been reporting for several months about the competition between WBUR and
WGBH for news listeners in Boston. According to folks at both stations, this is
a situation that matters on many levels.
Nielsen Audio and Radio Research Corporation (RRC),
the distributor of noncom Nielsen Audio data, does not allow subscribing
stations to provide hour-by-hour data for publication by news outlets. But they do allow data to be reviewed for background
and general observation, which I have done.
What
I saw in the most recent data is that WBUR clearly leads listening during Morning Edition. Then the listening
pattern changes fairly dramatically. Boston
Public Radio – a three-hour local news and talk magazine on WGBH – has
substantially more listening than WBUR until 2pm. The two stations are close in
listening until 4pm when WBUR regains its edge during ATC.
During
the hours when Boston Public Radio
airs, WGBH has more Boston listeners
in the Boston metro than WBUR’s national flagship programs On Point and Here and Now
(a coproduction with NPR News). Charlie
Kavetz acknowledges WGBH’s gains:
CHARLIE KRAVETZ |
The success of WGBH is
undeniable and that is good for them. They
brought in a new audience of people, many of whom where listening to commercial
radio. I am impressed by what they’ve done.
Phil
Redo, GM of WGBH, said in an email that WGBH’s success is not necessarily at
the expense of WBUR:
PHIL REDO |
[The
Nielsen data] clearly shows how WGBH's commitment to local information and
journalism has lifted the total shares of public radio listening in Boston
without seriously injuring WBUR…we think our efforts will only be additive to
the market. This is not a zero-sum situation.
To
me, the winners are the listeners! The competition between WBUR and WGBH is
positive for public media because it encourages innovation and better public
service.
To put the ratings data in context, here are the
schedules for both stations Monday – Friday from 6am – 7pm, the hours when the
most people hear radio:
TIME
|
WBUR
|
WGBH
|
6am – 7am
|
Morning
Edition
|
Morning
Edition
|
7am – 8am
|
Morning
Edition
|
Morning
Edition
|
8am – 9am
|
Morning
Edition
|
Morning
Edition
|
9am – 10am
|
BBC
Newshour
|
Morning
Edition
|
10am – 11am
|
On
Point
|
The
Takeaway
|
11am – Noon
|
On
Point
|
Boston
Public Radio
|
Noon – 1pm
|
Here
& Now
|
Boston
Public Radio
|
1pm – 2pm
|
Here
& Now
|
Boston
Public Radio
|
2pm – 3pm
|
Fresh
Air
|
The
Takeaway
|
3pm – 4pm
|
Radio
Boston
|
The
World
|
4pm – 5pm
|
ATC
|
ATC
|
5pm – 6pm
|
ATC
|
ATC
|
6pm – 7pm
|
6:00
ATC
6:30 Marketplace
|
6:00 Marketplace
6:30
ATC
|
Source: Station websites
WHY THE COMPETITION IN
BOSTON MATTERS
Public
radio has not previously seen a battle quite like the one now going on in
Boston. Both organizations are excellent public media organizations with deep
pockets and historic legacies. This situation is different than other two-station
markets such as KCRW and KPCC in LA or KPLU and KUOW in Seattle. In those situations both stations air Morning Edition and ATC but go their own way for most of the rest of the schedule.
Charlie
Kravetz, GM of WBUR said in a telephone interview that the competition involves
the sustainability of both stations:
There is no question that
this is a very competitive relationship. When you are competing on very
fundamental levels around the sustainable nature of organizations – there is a
lot at stake.
The
ratings are only part of the picture. WBUR
and WGBH compete for members, donors, underwriting revenue and pride.
Both
Kravetz and Phil Redo at WGBH agree the competition has increased public radio
listening in Boston and elsewhere. Kravetz commented:
There
are times of the day when the competition between WBUR and WGBH likely have
increased listening. In the middays our [national] audience has grown as we’ve
transitioned Here & Now into a national program with NPR.
Redo
says the competition has generated interest in public radio across the country:
…we
are proud to have placed Boston, as a market, in the top tier of stations with
largest share of public radio listening.
Again,
the listeners are the winners!
Very good article and I wished that I lived in Boston so that I could listen to both BUR and WGBH locally. I live in LA and would prefer to have two public radio stations that focus on news, and national news at that. I tune into BUR on a daily basis here in LA because I find that KPCC focuses on the local news to much for me, even in their live talk show and news magazine.
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